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Holy Crap! [MAJOR computer prob] [message #221272] Do, 16 Februar 2006 03:38
v_dragon  
If any body missed me, the reason I disappeared for a week was because
computers can be evil!

OK, so here is what happened...
I am over taxing my windows 2000 server, so I have this newer, faster
etc. motherboard and CPU. No problem say I, I need to refresh my
memory on a fresh install of 2000 server anyway. I could not find my
notes from the first install...
Install goes ok, until I use the configure server wizard. It would
seem to be locked into a 10.10.0.1 configuration only. After
re-installing several times because of breaking the DNS trying to
reconfigure it; I decided that I would try to re-configure my DSL
router and concentrator to match a class A network...Nope linksys home
routers are not configurable for anything other than class C. Also I
managed to bork a setting in the DSL concentrator that made me loose
DNS resolution. I called Bellsouth's support...WORTHLESS!!! out
sourced to some country. The person I talked to had ZERO knowledge of
anything other than the spreadsheet she was reading had to say. When
she would want me to bring up the command prompt it would take her
several min to say all the steps; I would interrupt and ask if she
wanted me to bring up the command prompt but she would just keep
reading...after an hour of this I got so fed up that I let her know
how worthless this 'support' was and hung up...I found the setting I
mis-configured in the PPOE and was off and running. If I had another
choice in services, I would have switched on the spot!

Now, Since I was in the middle of loading a new server, I thought it
would be a good time to change my workstation around a bit. I have
this nice 120Gig drive setting in it not doing anything so I though I
would move the OS to it and put the 40Gig in the new server as part of
a raid array...Poped the nice install disk the drive came with in my
system and rebooted...nope will not boot, hangs when loading the atapi
driver...Try with a slightly older version of cd...Nope hangs in the
same spot..OK, lets try an slightly older yet floppy; yep boots fine,
must be compatibility problem with cd drive....started the install
wizard, it started the drive copy process...FOUR hours later it was
finally done. Norton ghost would have been done in 15 min....Removed
the 40Gig, set the 120Gig to master and....nothing...will not boot..
Oh well, something must have gone wrong in the ghost; no problem, just
put the original drive back in and...nothing...wil not boot...20 hours
of various drive scans and partition recovery software yielded
nothing!!! Emails that I had not backed up yet, a month of checkbook
registrar and four persons taxes all went POP...

I did manage to get the new server correctly configured...had to tweak
the registry because of a netlogon error that took several
re-installes to figure out that I was doing everything correctly, but
when you have a server that is in active directory mode and is it's
own DNS server the DNS is not coming online fast enough and the
netlogon service hangs until you make it dependant on DNS.

I am re-installing software on my workstation, but it would not work
correctly with the original server. Would join the domain but would
not access any network shares, Group Policy errors in the event log.
Had to tweak the Group Policy on the server for SMB digital
signing..Odd that I did not have to do that before the workstation
(windowsXP) went FOOM...

so, Here I am, LOTS of hours later, lots beers drank, and lots of
'colorfull metaphors' spoken...
Unfortunately, everything that went wrong were things I should have
done in a better way, I knew better; but Hey I know what I am
doing...Right? Ah! Humble pie...

<sig not reconfigured>
Re: Holy Crap! [MAJOR computer prob] [message #221273 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 04:25
Kalos Kalyre  
v_dragon wrote:
> If any body missed me, the reason I disappeared for a week was because
> computers can be evil!
>
[snip]

Welcome back. My body didn't miss you, but my mind did.

And computers are definitely evil.

--
-Kalos

Peace and peppermint cheesecake to all.

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(xeno=strange, saur=lizard), subclass Pterosauria (Lizard Dragon), order
Squamadraconia (Scales Dragon), suborder Draconia (Western Dragon),
family Pterodraconia (General Western Dragon), genus [unnamed; finned,
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Re: Holy Crap! [MAJOR computer prob] [message #221304 ] Do, 16 Februar 2006 07:35
Shaw News  
"v_dragon" <v_dragon [at] bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:g7n7v1lp8refa9hqbi8rf7pr5gtb4b840a [at] 4ax.com...
> If any body missed me, the reason I disappeared for a week was because
> computers can be evil!
............


Wow, impressive, you have more 'fun' with your computers than I do! Usually
when I install a new OS or hardware I go though similar battles. Just this
newest one I got a new motherboard and graphics card, great. I have Windows
XP and Windows XP 64-Bit, I install both freash and each time I get past the
POST, right here it shows the pretty little 'loading' windows XP logo, guess
what, good old blue screen of death greets me with "Critical Hardware error,
blah blah blah *blink*" restarts before I can read any farther each and
every time. After half an hour of recheaking every single plug, wire,
connection, and pin, still have the same issue. Finally I try clearing the
CMOS, well, helped a bit, now I get into windows and then the pretty blue
screen before *blink* restart. Next step, updates!

I get my secondary computer to download a BIOS update, and what do you know,
there's only been like 20 revisions of it (humm.. that sounds like they
really carefuly check for bugs before releaseing their hardware...NOT) I
download the BIOS and flash it, bingo, computer finally boots up right, in
both OSs. Next fun game, the CD that has all of the motherboard drivers
autorun has all blanks instead of buttons, why? because for some strange
reason none of their installers are compatible even though on the box is
says 'optimised for windows XP 32 and 64 bit' yah... right... Again, back
to the website I go. New drivers, both 64 and 32 bit for each operating
systems, yay getting somewhere. They work great. Then for the graphics card,
rinse and repeat, same problems and steps as the motherboard drivers, ta da,
it FINALLY works fully; that is until it booted up saying 'You graphics card
is running at minimal power, to use card's full potential please hook up to
powersupplly' first thing to mind was "huh?" then I discover wow, this
thing is powerful, it has a cable in the box I connect to the card which
takes TWO of the power supply cables which you would use on an IDE device,
two of them!, that's on top of the power it gets from the motherboard.
Hungry little guy. I hook it up, yup, graphics go full power, and rather
impressing speeds.

Finally after haveing an all of 3 hours of haveing a stable computer, friend
comes over who is better at hardware than me (I am better at the software
part myself), he gos though everything and carefuly overclocks everything as
high as it gos will staying 'stable'. Computer stays 'stable' until he
leaves when it starts acting up when I use anything that requires any good
graphics or computer power. At first I thought it was because the particular
game I was trying to play was not compatible with my new graphics card and I
had to adapt it. Four hours later I finally give up with the cheap technical
support offered by my game and feel depressed that after all those upgrades
I got that put my wallet in a graveyard for the very game it doesn't work
with, I finally begin to wounder something. I got back into the BIOS and
restore all of the clocking back to normal. What do you know, suddenly the
game works. My friend overclocked everything as far as it can go while being
stable alright.. but only as far as running simple things like Windows,
nothing like CPU or Graphics Card consumeing video games. I have my clocking
back to normal, and gleefuly play my game at it's full potential.

I still didn't have nearly as much 'fun' with my computer as v_dragon, but
as you can see, he's not entirely alone. Also this isn't the only time I've
had things like this; before this I had to live with an ATI Raedon graphics
card that acted very strangely, a card so unstable that it crashes or hangs
if the AGP is any higher or lower than X4 and cannot have fast write on. On
top of that, it's very picky about video games or things about them, one
game works just fine except I can't open any menus includeing the save
screen because it crashes the computer, so I was forced to use only hotkeys
for every menu and had to memorize what the buttons for each menu were
quickly before it crashed from me opening the menu, telling me the hotkeys
for the menu (wee).

A note to V_Dragon though, Two programs I highly reccomend to you way better
than Norton Ghost is Partition Magic and Drive Image by PowerQuest. They do
a lot better job and not only let you make a full drive image 'snapshot' but
also allow you to edit partition sizes, formats, etc. without loseing your
data. I rather love it and use those two programs all the time. They are
life savers for when I try installing something that mess up my OS, which
then I simply restore it to EXACTLY it's state when I last backed it up,
while keeping all of my programs on a D: and E: Partition so even if I
revert the C: drive where the OS is, I don't lose my data, games, etc. I
found it useful to move the My Documents folder and everything else you can
to a partitioned drive, that way if the OS messes up, you still have your
data there, just have to reinstall the programs to get back reg keys and
needed DLLs etc.

Well, now everyone met the technical human side of me, not as charming as
the nice little red dragon I am otherwise huh?.. Strange how my personality
is different because of my human and draconic natures being different,
alter-egos are 'fun' o.o'
Re: Holy Crap! [MAJOR computer prob] [message #221314 ] Fr, 17 Februar 2006 03:33
v_dragon  
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:35:38 GMT, "Dafydd Edward Dragon"
<red_dragons_life [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Wow, impressive, you have more 'fun' with your computers than I do! Usually
>when I install a new OS or hardware I go though similar battles. Just this
>newest one I got a new motherboard and graphics card, great. I have Windows
>XP and Windows XP 64-Bit, I install both freash and each time I get past the
>POST, right here it shows the pretty little 'loading' windows XP logo, guess
>what, good old blue screen of death greets me with "Critical Hardware error,
>blah blah blah *blink*" restarts before I can read any farther each and
>every time. After half an hour of recheaking every single plug, wire,
>connection, and pin, still have the same issue. Finally I try clearing the
>CMOS, well, helped a bit, now I get into windows and then the pretty blue
>screen before *blink* restart. Next step, updates!

Ah, yes. The auto-reboot on critical errors...how can you turn that
off if the OS never boots in the first place? (It's doable)
>
>I get my secondary computer to download a BIOS update, and what do you know,
>there's only been like 20 revisions of it (humm.. that sounds like they
>really carefuly check for bugs before releaseing their hardware...NOT)

With AMD and Intel neck and neck trying to out do each other, they are
not doing proper testing of chipsets, and neither are the mobo
manufactures since they keep having to churn out new stuff.
I
> 'You graphics card
>is running at minimal power, to use card's full potential please hook up to
>powersupplly' first thing to mind was "huh?" then I discover wow, this
>thing is powerful, it has a cable in the box I connect to the card which
>takes TWO of the power supply cables which you would use on an IDE device,
>two of them!, that's on top of the power it gets from the motherboard.
>Hungry little guy. I hook it up, yup, graphics go full power, and rather
>impressing speeds.
>
With GPU's haveing denser transistor counts that most CPU's and having
more transistor couts as well, they are getting more power hungry.
When I bought my 550W power supply I thought is was overkill. Now you
can get 1000W continual power supplies O.o

>Finally after haveing an all of 3 hours of haveing a stable computer, friend
>comes over who is better at hardware than me (I am better at the software
>part myself), he gos though everything and carefuly overclocks everything as
>high as it gos will staying 'stable'. Computer stays 'stable' until he
>leaves when it starts acting up when I use anything that requires any good
>graphics or computer power. At first I thought it was because the particular
>game I was trying to play was not compatible with my new graphics card and I
>had to adapt it. Four hours later I finally give up with the cheap technical
>support offered by my game and feel depressed that after all those upgrades
>I got that put my wallet in a graveyard for the very game it doesn't work
>with, I finally begin to wounder something. I got back into the BIOS and
>restore all of the clocking back to normal. What do you know, suddenly the
>game works. My friend overclocked everything as far as it can go while being
>stable alright.. but only as far as running simple things like Windows,
>nothing like CPU or Graphics Card consumeing video games. I have my clocking
>back to normal, and gleefuly play my game at it's full potential.
>
Got to be carefull when overclocking, small steps and hard testing in
between steps...

>A note to V_Dragon though, Two programs I highly reccomend to you way better
>than Norton Ghost is Partition Magic and Drive Image by PowerQuest.

I have heard goo things about them, if I run across a copy I will snag
it. Norton was free :>

> They do
>a lot better job and not only let you make a full drive image 'snapshot' but
>also allow you to edit partition sizes, formats, etc. without loseing your
>data. I rather love it and use those two programs all the time. They are
>life savers for when I try installing something that mess up my OS, which
>then I simply restore it to EXACTLY it's state when I last backed it up,
>while keeping all of my programs on a D: and E: Partition so even if I
>revert the C: drive where the OS is, I don't lose my data, games, etc. I
>found it useful to move the My Documents folder and everything else you can
>to a partitioned drive, that way if the OS messes up, you still have your
>data there, just have to reinstall the programs to get back reg keys and
>needed DLLs etc.

It would have been nice if the backup program I was using to copy the
drive did not decide to eat bot of then instead :(

>
>Well, now everyone met the technical human side of me, not as charming as
>the nice little red dragon I am otherwise huh?.. Strange how my personality
>is different because of my human and draconic natures being different,
>alter-egos are 'fun' o.o'
>
....Untill they start arguing with each other..

<sig still missing>
Re: Holy Crap! [MAJOR computer prob] [message #221324 ] Fr, 17 Februar 2006 07:51
Draco18s  
In article <g7n7v1lp8refa9hqbi8rf7pr5gtb4b840a [at] 4ax.com>,
v_dragon [at] bellsouth.net says...
>If any body missed me, the reason I disappeared for a week was because
>computers can be evil!

Welcome back. And computers suck.

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Re: Holy Crap! [MAJOR computer prob] [message #221349 ] Sa, 18 Februar 2006 02:43
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 16 Feb 2006, v_dragon was found to have scratched
news:vvcav1lfivckpkmm58tl9j5o6ca6nopqgk [at] 4ax.com on a rock in
alt.fan.dragons:

> With GPU's haveing denser transistor counts that most CPU's and having
> more transistor couts as well, they are getting more power hungry.
> When I bought my 550W power supply I thought is was overkill. Now you
> can get 1000W continual power supplies O.o

My video card (a TV card, admittedly) has a power port for a 12V FDD
connector for extra power.



Lord Flame Stryke

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Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from
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Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the
Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos

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go out and play?"
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Re: Holy Crap! [MAJOR computer prob] [message #221359 ] Sa, 18 Februar 2006 04:11
v_dragon  
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:43:17 GMT, Lord Flame Stryke
<FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>On 16 Feb 2006, v_dragon was found to have scratched
>news:vvcav1lfivckpkmm58tl9j5o6ca6nopqgk [at] 4ax.com on a rock in
>alt.fan.dragons:
>
>> With GPU's haveing denser transistor counts that most CPU's and having
>> more transistor couts as well, they are getting more power hungry.
>> When I bought my 550W power supply I thought is was overkill. Now you
>> can get 1000W continual power supplies O.o
>
>My video card (a TV card, admittedly) has a power port for a 12V FDD
>connector for extra power.
>
That would be an AGP Pro card :)
Sweet
Re: Holy Crap! [MAJOR computer prob] [message #221370 ] Sa, 18 Februar 2006 18:24
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 17 Feb 2006, v_dragon was found to have scratched
news:c14dv1lo0hfqiq558b2bmic2itn27ftada [at] 4ax.com on a rock in
alt.fan.dragons:

>>> With GPU's haveing denser transistor counts that most CPU's and having
>>> more transistor couts as well, they are getting more power hungry.
>>> When I bought my 550W power supply I thought is was overkill. Now you
>>> can get 1000W continual power supplies O.o
>>My video card (a TV card, admittedly) has a power port for a 12V FDD
>>connector for extra power.
> That would be an AGP Pro card :)
> Sweet

Luckily I had a free plug, I didn't want to start out with Y adapters and
the like.....



Lord Flame Stryke

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Fc~ R+++! Ac+++ J+ S++ U! I# V+++! Q Tc++ E++
Draco nigrum, oculi rubere, suppositus, magus.
Holder of the Scroll of Nobility from Lady Viriatha, Keeper of the Wand of
Sparklies in its case from Hex, Wielder of the Lady Viri Signature 4x8 from
Ysable, Eater of the Mint Cheesecake from Whisper, Mate to Lady Viriatha,
Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the
Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green
Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep,
First Dragon of Realism, Giver of the Pickaxe of Icebreaking to Kalos

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